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Invest Like The Best

The Future of AI Agents | Jesse Zhang Interview

2025-10-06 · 10 company · 10 thematic
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jesse zhang

CEO of Decagon, building AI customer service agents. Company growing 5x year-over-year, 90% open source models in production. Developed Duet dual-agent system for auto-improvement.

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“That's why I think the open AIs of the world will continue to move towards applications because it's quite hard for them to make money long term on like their API for example because there's like such high competition all the labs are buil…”
—jesse zhang
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$GOOGL···bullish· highjesse zhang
Jesse Zhang bullish on Google: consumer data moat critical for AI
Google's massive consumer touchpoints generate the data flywheel essential for long-term AI model improvement, giving it a structural advantage over pure B2B model providers.
$META···neutral· lowjesse zhang
Meta has consumer data advantage but execution uncertain
Meta possesses similar consumer data scale to Google, but its new superintelligence lab's ability to capitalize remains unproven.
$ANTHROPICbearish· mediumjesse zhang
Anthropic lacks consumer data flywheel vs ChatGPT
Without a strong consumer-facing product like ChatGPT, Anthropic misses the continuous real-world data loop needed to improve models long-term.
$COGNITIONbullish· mediumjesse zhang
Cognition in hypothetical AI portfolio: bet on coding agents
Cognition's team and traction in AI coding agents make it a core holding in a concentrated AI portfolio.
$CURSORbullish· mediumjesse zhang
Cursor in hypothetical portfolio: coding agent leader
Cursor's strong team and product in AI-assisted coding warrant a portfolio slot alongside Cognition.
$ETCHEDbullish· mediumjesse zhang
Etched represents high-variance hardware layer bet
Specialized AI hardware startups like Etched offer asymmetric upside despite early-stage risk.
$PIKAbullish· mediumjesse zhang
Pika in portfolio: video generation model bet
Exceptional team building foundational video models justifies inclusion in a concentrated AI portfolio.
$CHAIbullish· mediumjesse zhang
Chai in portfolio: vertical foundation models for healthcare
Domain-specific foundation models (e.g., healthcare) are a compelling diversification within AI model layer bets.
$PHYSICAL-INTELLIGENCEbullish· mediumjesse zhang
Physical Intelligence in portfolio: robotics foundation models
Embodied AI / robotics foundation models represent a high-potential frontier worth a portfolio slot.
$OPENAIbearish· mediumjesse zhang
OpenAI API business model threatened by low switching costs
Model APIs face intense competition and near-zero switching costs (one line of code), pushing labs toward applications where they can capture more value.