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20VC

The AI Boom Will Create Enormous Roadkill: Who Wins & Loses? | David Frankel

2026-08-08 · 27 company · 23 thematic
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david frankel

David Frankel is a co-founder and partner at Founder Collective, a seed-stage venture firm with 18 years of investing. He led early investments in Uber, PillPack, SeatGeek, Shield AI, Suno, Whoop, Trade Desk, Coupang, and Olo. He emphasizes founder-first investing, ownership discipline, and long hold periods.

harry stebbings

Founder of 20VC (The Twenty Minute VC), one of the most popular venture-capital podcasts, and its associated fund.

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“having been very very early the first check in shield AI and watching how that's played out. The US needs it. Like our our enemies have access to all of that on steroids. I I'm terrified about China right now to be honest.”
—david frankel
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$SEATGEEKbullish· high· posdavid frankel
Frankel still holds every SeatGeek share since 2010
Held SeatGeek for 14+ years; now a top-three global ticketing business, illustrating patience in compounding winners.
$OPENAIbullish· highdavid frankel
Frankel calls OpenAI a generational Meta/Google equivalent
OpenAI and Anthropic are the Meta and Google of this era; trillion-dollar outcomes highly likely despite massive roadkill elsewhere.
$ANTHROPICbullish· highdavid frankel
Frankel calls Anthropic a generational Meta/Google equivalent
Anthropic alongside OpenAI defines the generational platform layer; trillion-dollar trajectory despite broader AI roadkill.
$FOUNDER-COLLECTIVEbullish· high· posdavid frankel
Frankel: GP largest LP aligns incentives for DPI over fees
GP as largest LP creates alignment for distributed proceeds (DPI) not management fees; discipline maintained despite pressure to raise larger funds.
$WIX···neutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel flags Wix at 1x revenue as market irrationality
Wix trading at 2.1B market cap on 2.1B revenue exemplifies irrational pricing that cannot be fought; don't fight the tide.
$THRIVEneutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel: Thrive/a16z returns impressive but post-2020 DPI unproven
Multi-stage platforms returned well historically but post-2020 vintages show TVPI without DPI; sovereign wealth LPs prioritize IRR over multiples.
$A16Zneutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel: a16z returns impressive but post-2020 DPI unproven
a16z's large funds returned well historically but post-2020 vintages show TVPI without DPI; sovereign wealth LPs prioritize IRR over multiples.
$ELEVENLABSneutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel regrets passing Eleven Labs over ownership discipline
Ownership discipline (1-2% target) caused passes on Eleven Labs, Granola, StarCloud, Fractile — hundreds of millions in lost returns.
$CURSORneutral· lowdavid frankel
Cursor at $26B post / $60B exit example of billion-dollar Series A new normal
Cursor's valuation trajectory ($26B post, potential $60B exit) exemplifies the new reality where $1B+ valuations are effectively the new Series A price for elite AI companies.
$COGNITIONneutral· lowdavid frankel
Cognition at $26B valuation cited as example of billion-dollar Series A norm
Cognition's $26B valuation is cited as evidence that top-tier AI companies now command billion-dollar-plus entry prices, reshaping seed fund economics.
$MERCORneutral· lowdavid frankel
Mercor at $20B valuation cited as example of billion-dollar Series A norm
Mercor's $20B valuation is cited as evidence that top-tier AI companies now command billion-dollar-plus entry prices, reshaping seed fund economics.
$SHIELD-AIbullish· high· posdavid frankel
Shield AI thesis: AI layer on commoditized drones/hardware is the real value
All hardware (drones, cameras, sensors) is now commoditized; the defensible moat is the AI software stack that makes autonomous systems work — applied AI on cheap platforms.
$AIRTABLEbearish· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel warns Airtable cannibalization has started
AI-driven innovation cycles are compressing SaaS lifecycles; Airtable faces cannibalization before liquidity events can occur.
$SNYKbearish· lowdavid frankel
Frankel notes Snyk facing growth challenges
Snyk experiencing challenging growth rates similar to Airtable as AI accelerates competitive displacement in cybersecurity.
$VIVA···bullish· mediumdavid frankel
SaaS apocalypse overshooting: buy basket of beaten-up embedded SaaS leaders
The SaaS selloff has thrown the baby out with the bathwater; deeply embedded, mission-critical SaaS (Veeva, Olo, Airtable) are hard to displace, and a basket of these discounted l…
$REBARbullish· medium· posdavid frankel
Frankel backs Rebar as vertical AI in HVAC quoting
Founder's deep vertical edge (uncle's HVAC roll-up) unlocks 100k+ mechanical engineer TAM; AI automates blueprint-to-quote workflow.
$UBER···neutral· medium· posdavid frankel
Frankel admits selling Uber early at $10B; still net long at IPO
Founder Collective sold some Uber around $10B valuation (likely too early) but remained net long through IPO; illustrates the difficulty of timing exits in compounding winners.
$WHOOPneutral· medium· posdavid frankel
Frankel contrasts Whoop hardware journey vs Suno speed
Whoop's hardware path required long capital-intensive journey with high dilution; Suno's software speed minimized dilution.
$RAMPneutral· lowharry stebbings
Ramp's $500M raise at $40B exemplifies low-dilution mega-rounds
Stebbings cited Ramp's roughly $500 million raise at a $40 billion price as an example of large rounds with limited founder dilution and described continuous funding as attractive…
$GOOGL···bullish· highdavid frankel
Frankel calls Google net AI winner in pole position
Google's search-with-context capability and AI-native DNA put it in pole position versus Microsoft's second-rate AI execution.
$MSFT···bearish· highdavid frankel
Frankel says Microsoft AI execution is second-rate
Microsoft has done a crappy job on AI; its offering feels second-rate compared to top-tier models from OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google.
$SIMILEbullish· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel highlights Simile simulation markets for enterprise
Enterprises will spend $100-200M on single model outputs for critical decisions (P&G, Coca-Cola, Nvidia, Visa, governments).
$SHIELD-AIbullish· high· posdavid frankel
Frankel's early Shield AI investment reinforces US defense-AI urgency
Frankel cited his role in Shield AI's first institutional check and argued that the United States needs defense AI because adversaries have powerful capabilities, highlighting his…
$NVDA···bearish· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel sees photonic computing as Nvidia disruptor
Photonic/optical chips will disrupt Nvidia's electrical architecture within 10 years, solving data-center energy constraints.
$OLO···neutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel reflects on Olo 17-year journey to $2B exit
Thoma Bravo take-private at $2B after 17 years yielded modest IRR but extraordinary founder journey and board experience.
$SUNObullish· high· posdavid frankel
Frankel backs Suno as potential Spotify disruptor
Deeply involved from seed; believes Suno's consumer music product can transition from creation tool to consumption platform disrupting Spotify/Apple Music.
$KVYO···neutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel admits missing Klaviyo due to rigid framework
Framework-driven discipline caused pass on Klaviyo despite loving founders; illustrates cost of valuation rigidity in winner-take-most markets.