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20VC

The AI Boom Will Create Enormous Roadkill: Who Wins & Loses? | David Frankel

2026-08-08 · 27 company · 23 thematic
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david frankel

David Frankel is a co-founder and partner at Founder Collective, a seed-stage venture firm with 18 years of investing. He led early investments in Uber, PillPack, SeatGeek, Shield AI, Suno, Whoop, Trade Desk, Coupang, and Olo. He emphasizes founder-first investing, ownership discipline, and long hold periods.

harry stebbings

Founder of 20VC (The Twenty Minute VC), one of the most popular venture-capital podcasts, and its associated fund.

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“Ramp raising your like 500 million at a 40 billion price and actually kind of seemingly no kind of 50 million rounds at a billion dollar price.”
—harry stebbings
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$SEATGEEKbullish· high· posdavid frankel
Frankel still holds every SeatGeek share since 2010
Held SeatGeek for 14+ years; now a top-three global ticketing business, illustrating patience in compounding winners.
$OPENAIbullish· highdavid frankel
Frankel calls OpenAI a generational Meta/Google equivalent
OpenAI and Anthropic are the Meta and Google of this era; trillion-dollar outcomes highly likely despite massive roadkill elsewhere.
$ANTHROPICbullish· highdavid frankel
Frankel calls Anthropic a generational Meta/Google equivalent
Anthropic alongside OpenAI defines the generational platform layer; trillion-dollar trajectory despite broader AI roadkill.
$FOUNDER-COLLECTIVEbullish· high· posdavid frankel
Frankel: GP largest LP aligns incentives for DPI over fees
GP as largest LP creates alignment for distributed proceeds (DPI) not management fees; discipline maintained despite pressure to raise larger funds.
$WIX···neutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel flags Wix at 1x revenue as market irrationality
Wix trading at 2.1B market cap on 2.1B revenue exemplifies irrational pricing that cannot be fought; don't fight the tide.
$THRIVEneutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel: Thrive/a16z returns impressive but post-2020 DPI unproven
Multi-stage platforms returned well historically but post-2020 vintages show TVPI without DPI; sovereign wealth LPs prioritize IRR over multiples.
$A16Zneutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel: a16z returns impressive but post-2020 DPI unproven
a16z's large funds returned well historically but post-2020 vintages show TVPI without DPI; sovereign wealth LPs prioritize IRR over multiples.
$ELEVENLABSneutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel regrets passing Eleven Labs over ownership discipline
Ownership discipline (1-2% target) caused passes on Eleven Labs, Granola, StarCloud, Fractile — hundreds of millions in lost returns.
$CURSORneutral· lowdavid frankel
Cursor at $26B post / $60B exit example of billion-dollar Series A new normal
Cursor's valuation trajectory ($26B post, potential $60B exit) exemplifies the new reality where $1B+ valuations are effectively the new Series A price for elite AI companies.
$COGNITIONneutral· lowdavid frankel
Cognition at $26B valuation cited as example of billion-dollar Series A norm
Cognition's $26B valuation is cited as evidence that top-tier AI companies now command billion-dollar-plus entry prices, reshaping seed fund economics.
$MERCORneutral· lowdavid frankel
Mercor at $20B valuation cited as example of billion-dollar Series A norm
Mercor's $20B valuation is cited as evidence that top-tier AI companies now command billion-dollar-plus entry prices, reshaping seed fund economics.
$SHIELD-AIbullish· high· posdavid frankel
Shield AI thesis: AI layer on commoditized drones/hardware is the real value
All hardware (drones, cameras, sensors) is now commoditized; the defensible moat is the AI software stack that makes autonomous systems work — applied AI on cheap platforms.
$AIRTABLEbearish· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel warns Airtable cannibalization has started
AI-driven innovation cycles are compressing SaaS lifecycles; Airtable faces cannibalization before liquidity events can occur.
$SNYKbearish· lowdavid frankel
Frankel notes Snyk facing growth challenges
Snyk experiencing challenging growth rates similar to Airtable as AI accelerates competitive displacement in cybersecurity.
$VIVA···bullish· mediumdavid frankel
SaaS apocalypse overshooting: buy basket of beaten-up embedded SaaS leaders
The SaaS selloff has thrown the baby out with the bathwater; deeply embedded, mission-critical SaaS (Veeva, Olo, Airtable) are hard to displace, and a basket of these discounted l…
$REBARbullish· medium· posdavid frankel
Frankel backs Rebar as vertical AI in HVAC quoting
Founder's deep vertical edge (uncle's HVAC roll-up) unlocks 100k+ mechanical engineer TAM; AI automates blueprint-to-quote workflow.
$UBER···neutral· medium· posdavid frankel
Frankel admits selling Uber early at $10B; still net long at IPO
Founder Collective sold some Uber around $10B valuation (likely too early) but remained net long through IPO; illustrates the difficulty of timing exits in compounding winners.
$WHOOPneutral· medium· posdavid frankel
Frankel contrasts Whoop hardware journey vs Suno speed
Whoop's hardware path required long capital-intensive journey with high dilution; Suno's software speed minimized dilution.
$RAMPneutral· lowharry stebbings
Ramp's $500M raise at $40B exemplifies low-dilution mega-rounds
Stebbings cited Ramp's roughly $500 million raise at a $40 billion price as an example of large rounds with limited founder dilution and described continuous funding as attractive…
$GOOGL···bullish· highdavid frankel
Frankel calls Google net AI winner in pole position
Google's search-with-context capability and AI-native DNA put it in pole position versus Microsoft's second-rate AI execution.
$MSFT···bearish· highdavid frankel
Frankel says Microsoft AI execution is second-rate
Microsoft has done a crappy job on AI; its offering feels second-rate compared to top-tier models from OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google.
$SIMILEbullish· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel highlights Simile simulation markets for enterprise
Enterprises will spend $100-200M on single model outputs for critical decisions (P&G, Coca-Cola, Nvidia, Visa, governments).
$SHIELD-AIbullish· high· posdavid frankel
Frankel's early Shield AI investment reinforces US defense-AI urgency
Frankel cited his role in Shield AI's first institutional check and argued that the United States needs defense AI because adversaries have powerful capabilities, highlighting his…
$NVDA···bearish· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel sees photonic computing as Nvidia disruptor
Photonic/optical chips will disrupt Nvidia's electrical architecture within 10 years, solving data-center energy constraints.
$OLO···neutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel reflects on Olo 17-year journey to $2B exit
Thoma Bravo take-private at $2B after 17 years yielded modest IRR but extraordinary founder journey and board experience.
$SUNObullish· high· posdavid frankel
Frankel backs Suno as potential Spotify disruptor
Deeply involved from seed; believes Suno's consumer music product can transition from creation tool to consumption platform disrupting Spotify/Apple Music.
$KVYO···neutral· mediumdavid frankel
Frankel admits missing Klaviyo due to rigid framework
Framework-driven discipline caused pass on Klaviyo despite loving founders; illustrates cost of valuation rigidity in winner-take-most markets.