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Why Anthropic Are Causing a Comp Crisis & Why You’d Never Hire From Salesforce or ServiceNow

2026-05-23 · 11 company · 5 thematic

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Chris Degnan was the first sales hire and eventual CRO at Snowflake, scaling revenue from $0 to over $4B ARR. He now partners with Chad Peets advising startups on sales organization design, hiring, and compensation. Known for data-driven, MEDDIC-disciplined approach.

chad peets

Chad Peets co-built the Snowflake sales organization with Chris Degnan. He now runs a sales advisory and recruiting firm (with Degnan) that takes equity in portfolio companies. Known for blunt, high-accountability operating style.

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“If a guy's been at salesforce.com for the last 5 years, he's never opened a new logo. ServiceNow? ServiceNow. Right? Let's go hire people from ServiceNow. Why would you want to hire people from ServiceNow? They don't know how to do any pip…”

—chris degnan

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