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▶ 24:43 · AI Regulation & Policy · Levie: Industry's doomer messaging created political backlash risking data center bans and AI taxes
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Joe Lonsdale

Why AI Creators Keep Panicking (They're Wrong)

2026-07-30 · 6 company · 20 thematic
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aaron levy

Aaron Levy founded Box in 2005, dropped out of USC after raising from Mark Cuban, pivoted to enterprise in 2006, and has scaled the company to ~120,000 customers and $1-2B revenue run rate. He is an active angel investor focused on AI applications in coding, cybersecurity, and knowledge work.

joe lonsdale

Joe Lonsdale hosts American Optimists. He co-founded Palantir Technologies and founded venture firm 8VC. He previously hired Scott Wu at an early company and references his experience building Palantir's forward-deployed engineer model and government technology partnerships.

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