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▶ 39:00 · $NOTION · Notion acquires 50-60 founders via acqui-hires to prevent calcification
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Sequoia Capital

Notion’s Ivan Zhao: The Refounder

2026-05-21 · 7 company · 5 thematic
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ivan zhao

Co-founded Notion, went through two major refoundings (Kyoto 2015, Cancun 2023), transformed Notion from a struggling SaaS to an AI-native productivity platform with ~1000 employees and 50-60 former founders on team via acqui-hires.

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“We intentionally do a lot of acquisitions. We have 50 60 founders at notion... founders are are kind of this kind of like little decalcified meatthead machinery just trying to break things”
—ivan zhao

episode shorts · 6

Why Notion's Ivan Zhao likes being called a cult leader

How Notion keeps a 1000-person company from calcifying | Ivan Z…

"Building with LLMs is like brewing beer" | Ivan Zhao, Notion

Ivan Zhao of Notion's mantra: jazz band, not marching band

Why Notion's Ivan Zhao killed his marketing org

Notion's CEO on where he stumbled with sales

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