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Sequoia Capital

Notion’s Ivan Zhao: The Refounder

2026-05-21 · 7 company · 5 thematic
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ivan zhao

Co-founded Notion, went through two major refoundings (Kyoto 2015, Cancun 2023), transformed Notion from a struggling SaaS to an AI-native productivity platform with ~1000 employees and 50-60 former founders on team via acqui-hires.

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“GBD4 is a religious experience for me. It's like holy It's a it's a full body religious experience. Like you have to do something with this. This is what change everything.”
—ivan zhao

episode shorts · 6

Why Notion's Ivan Zhao likes being called a cult leader

How Notion keeps a 1000-person company from calcifying | Ivan Z…

"Building with LLMs is like brewing beer" | Ivan Zhao, Notion

Ivan Zhao of Notion's mantra: jazz band, not marching band

Why Notion's Ivan Zhao killed his marketing org

Notion's CEO on where he stumbled with sales

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