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The AI Boom Will Create Enormous Roadkill: Who Wins & Loses? | David Frankel

2026-08-08 · 27 company · 23 thematic
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david frankel

David Frankel is a co-founder and partner at Founder Collective, a seed-stage venture firm with 18 years of investing. He led early investments in Uber, PillPack, SeatGeek, Shield AI, Suno, Whoop, Trade Desk, Coupang, and Olo. He emphasizes founder-first investing, ownership discipline, and long hold periods.

harry stebbings

Founder of 20VC (The Twenty Minute VC), one of the most popular venture-capital podcasts, and its associated fund.

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SaaS apocalypse overshot: buy basket of embedded mission-critical SaaS
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Private Marketstailwindscore 7/10david frankel
Secondary liquidity at premium prices enables early DPI without full exit
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Physical AI: commoditized hardware + AI software = 10-year head start needed
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Shield AI validates defense AI; Chinese open models threaten US lead
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China's regulatory speed and R&D spending threaten US AI leadership
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AI Applicationsmixedscore 7/10david frankel
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