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Kleiner Perkins

How Brands Stay Visible When AI Decides | Profound CEO James Cadwallader

2025-12-22 · 5 company · 6 thematic
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james cadwallader

Co-founder and CEO of Profound, a marketing platform for the AI era that helps companies understand their visibility in AI search (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini) and deploy marketing agents. Serves approximately 12% of the Fortune 500. Previously built agent-led marketing workflows internally using Gong transcripts for real-time battle cards.

ilia fushman

Ilia Fushman is a partner at Kleiner Perkins who led the Series A investment in Profound. He previously worked in public cloud security and draws analogies between the cloud-native transition and the current AI-native rebuild of software categories.

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