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In Good Company with Nicolai Tangen

Bruce Flatt – CEO of Brookfield | In Good Company | Norges Bank Investment Management

2023-12-13 · 7 company · 35 thematic
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bruce flatt

Built Brookfield into one of the world's largest alternative asset managers with $850B AUM over 20+ years; known for long-term value investing in infrastructure, renewables, real estate, and private equity.

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Energy & Power Generationtailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Flatt: Renewables now lowest cost globally, economics driving transition not policy
Solar and wind are now the lowest cost energy in almost every country; economics, not policy, drives corporate procurement of green power, with batteries solving intermittency and hydrogen…
Energy & Power Generationtailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Flatt: Renewables now lowest-cost power globally, economics driving transition
Wind and solar are now the cheapest energy sources in nearly every country, making decarbonization economically driven rather than policy-driven; battery cost curves solving intermittency.
Energy & Power Generationtailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Wind and solar now lowest-cost generation in nearly every country
Solar and wind have become the lowest-cost energy sources in almost every country, making the economics of renewables self-reinforcing. Battery cost curves are falling dramatically, solving…
Grid & Power Infrastructuretailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Renewables now cheapest energy globally, batteries solving intermittency
Solar and wind are lowest-cost generation in almost every country; battery cost curves are declining dramatically like solar/wind did, enabling firm renewable power. Corporate buyers (tech)…
Nuclear Energytailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Nuclear power indispensable for net zero due to renewables intermittency
Wind and solar cannot fully decarbonize the grid due to intermittency (wind blows at night, sun shines by day); nuclear provides essential baseload power, and small modular reactors (300MW…
Grid & Power Infrastructuretailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Battery storage cost curves collapsing, solving renewables intermittency
Battery costs are declining dramatically on the same learning curve as solar and wind; economic storage will allow renewables to provide firm power, completing the decarbonization puzzle an…
Nuclear Energytailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Nuclear essential for full energy transition as small reactors become economic
Bruce Flatt argues there is no full energy transition without nuclear, and that smaller modular reactors (down to 20-300 MW) are becoming economic with lower build risk, making the safety a…
Nuclear Energytailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Nuclear power mandatory for net zero, SMRs approaching economic viability
Wind and solar cannot fully decarbonize due to intermittency; nuclear provides baseload power. Westinghouse's AP1000 and upcoming 300MW/20MW small modular reactors will be buildable with le…
Nuclear Energytailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Nuclear power indispensable for net zero, SMRs reaching economic viability
Full energy transition requires nuclear baseload to solve renewables intermittency; Westinghouse's AP1000 and new 300MW/20MW small modular reactors are becoming safer and economic, removing…
Nuclear Energytailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Flatt: Nuclear indispensable for net zero, SMRs and AP1000 reactors solving safety and economics
Full decarbonization requires nuclear baseload to complement intermittent renewables; Westinghouse's AP1000 and upcoming 300MW/20MW SMRs offer improving economics and safety, making nuclear…
Nuclear Energytailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Nuclear essential for full energy transition as smaller reactors become economic
Nuclear energy had an unfair reputational disadvantage versus coal, but safety is improving continuously and smaller reactor designs are making nuclear economic with less construction risk.…
Energy & Power Generationtailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Renewables now lowest-cost energy globally, driving corporate procurement
Solar and wind are now the cheapest new generation in almost every country; economics, not just ESG mandates, drive corporate buying — tech giants like Microsoft procure massive green capac…
Energy & Power Generationtailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Renewables now lowest-cost energy globally, economics driving corporate procurement
Solar and wind are cheapest new generation in almost every country, making decarbonization an economic choice not just policy-driven; tech giants like Microsoft procure massive green power…
Infrastructure Investingtailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Institutional infrastructure allocations rising from 10% to 15-20%, private capital outperforms public
Infrastructure offers long-duration, low-risk, inflation-linked returns ideal for institutional portfolios. Private operators run assets more efficiently than governments with lower cost of…
Grid & Power Infrastructuretailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Flatt: Infrastructure allocations to grow from 10% to 15-20% of institutional portfolios
Infrastructure offers long-term, low-risk, compounding returns (12%+); private ownership more efficient than government; allocations have grown from 1-2% to 10% and will reach 15-20% as ide…
Grid & Power Infrastructuretailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Infrastructure allocations to double as institutions seek CPI-linked, compounding returns
Infrastructure growing from ~10% to 15-20% of institutional portfolios due to long-duration, low-risk, inflation-linked cash flows that compound at 12-15%; energy transition backbone (renew…
Geopolitics & Trademixedscore 7/10bruce flatt
Deglobalization driving supply chain diversification with India as biggest beneficiary
Companies are diversifying supply chains away from single-country dependence, moving high-end manufacturing (semiconductors, pharma) back to the US and building capacity in Vietnam and Indi…
Supply Chain & Deglobalizationmixedscore 7/10bruce flatt
Reshoring to US and friend-shoring to India/Vietnam structural, inflationary but manageable
High-end manufacturing (semiconductors, pharma) returning to US via IRA incentives; broader diversification to India and Vietnam for resilience. India is the biggest beneficiary. Moderate i…
Geopolitics & Trademixedscore 7/10bruce flatt
Deglobalization driving supply chain diversification to India, Vietnam, not just reshoring
Companies are not leaving China but adding resilience by building capacity in India (largest beneficiary), Vietnam, and the US for high-end goods; this creates infrastructure and real estat…
Data Center Infrastructuretailwindscore 7/10bruce flatt
AI driving unprecedented data center demand, all powered by green energy
Data center capacity being taken globally for AI and large language model training is unprecedented, with estimates of 3.5% of world electricity consumption. Brookfield is building enormous…
Data Center Infrastructuretailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Flatt: AI driving unprecedented data center demand, all powered by renewables
Data center capacity demand for AI/ML training is unprecedented; Brookfield provides fiber, towers, and data centers, with renewables now supplying most new capacity as tech giants like Mic…
AI Infrastructuretailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Unprecedented data center demand for AI training driving massive green power procurement
Large language model training creates unprecedented data center capacity demand (potentially 3.5% of global electricity); hyperscalers commit to 100% renewable power, creating massive long-…
Data Center Infrastructuretailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
AI-driven data center demand unprecedented, powered by corporate renewable procurement
Data center capacity demand for AI training is growing at unprecedented rates; hyperscalers like Microsoft are procuring massive renewable capacity to meet net-zero commitments, creating a…
Energy & Power Generationtailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Flatt: Renewables now cheapest power globally, corporate procurement and batteries driving structural demand
Wind and solar are lowest-cost generation in virtually every country; technology companies' net-zero commitments (e.g., Microsoft 100% green + historical removal) create massive corporate P…
Macro & Ratesmixedscore 7/10bruce flatt
Fed successfully tamed inflation; moderate rates benefit infrastructure, real estate bifurcates
Central banks effectively controlled post-COVID inflation without 1970s-style spiral; rates normalizing at moderate levels. Infrastructure gains from CPI-linked revenues with fixed-rate deb…
Macro & Ratestailwindscore 6/10bruce flatt
Inflation under control; infrastructure benefits from CPI-linked revenue adjustments
Central banks have effectively tamped down inflation and rates are moderate, not high. Many infrastructure businesses benefit from inflation because revenues are CPI-adjusted while financin…
Housingmixedscore 7/10bruce flatt
Flight to quality creates extreme bifurcation in commercial real estate valuations
Top-tier, well-located office/industrial space commands premium rents and full occupancy; poorly located or obsolete assets face permanent value impairment. Interest rate sensitivity mitiga…
Private Marketstailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Private markets offer 10-25% returns with control, current vintage attractive
Private markets allow long-term value creation without quarterly earnings pressure; current environment of constrained bank lending and difficult fundraising creates excellent entry vintage…
Private Marketstailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Private markets offer structural advantage over public markets for long-term value creation
Private ownership enables multi-year capital deployment (e.g., $20B greening of Australian utility) impossible under public-market quarterly pressure; current vintage (2024-25) attractive d…
Private Marketstailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Private market allocations to grow from 10% to 15-20% of institutional portfolios
Private markets enable long-term value creation impossible in public markets — such as privatizing a coal-powered utility and investing $20 billion over 10 years to green it — because priva…
Private Marketstailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Private markets structurally superior for long-term value creation
Private markets allow businesses to focus on long-term value creation without quarterly earnings pressure, enabling transformations impossible in public form — such as privatizing a utility…
Private Marketstailwindscore 9/10bruce flatt
Private markets enable long-term capital-intensive transitions impossible in public markets
Private ownership allows multi-year, capital-intensive transformations (e.g., buying an Australian utility, investing $20B over 10 years to replace coal/gas with renewables) that public mar…
Private Marketstailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
2024-2025 vintages will be excellent for private market investing
With banks constrained, transaction activity lower, and institutional investors struggling, entry valuations are attractive. The next 24 months will produce excellent vintages across nearly…
Private Marketstailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Flatt: 2024-2025 private market vintages attractive as credit tightens, valuations improve
Current constrained credit environment and lower transaction activity create favorable entry points for private market investments; 2024-2025 vintages expected to be excellent across sector…
Private Marketstailwindscore 8/10bruce flatt
Current vintage (2024-2026) ideal for private market entry due to constrained capital
Higher interest rates, constrained bank lending, and sponsor fundraising difficulties have reduced competition and improved entry valuations; the next 24 months will produce excellent vinta…