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In Good Company with Nicolai Tangen

Wael Sawan - CEO of Shell | Podcast | In Good Company | Norges Bank Investment Management

2024-04-24 · 2 company · 6 thematic
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wael sawan

CEO of Shell since 2023 after 26+ years at the company spanning upstream, gas, downstream, retail, and renewables. Chemical engineer by training. Lebanese-Canadian citizen. Leads Shell's multi-energy strategy through the energy transition.

nicolai tangen

Nicolai Tangen is the CEO of Norges Bank Investment Management, which manages the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund, one of the world's largest sovereign wealth funds. He hosts the podcast 'In Good Company' where he interviews leaders across various fields.

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