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20VC

Julien Bek on Lessons from Don Valentine, Doug Leone & Alfred Lin | What Sequoia Sees in Founders

2026-08-24 · 28 company · 31 thematic
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julien bek

Partner at Sequoia Capital based in London (3 years), previously at Accel (Excel) and Atomico (Tomico); focuses on early-stage AI, infrastructure, and application investments; known for founder assessment frameworks and conviction-driven investing.

harry stebbings

Founder of 20VC (The Twenty Minute VC), one of the most popular venture-capital podcasts, and its associated fund.

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