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▶ 19:22 · AI Safety & Alignment · AI personhood debate shifts to treaty framework: sovereign AI entities, not human children
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Peter H. Diamandis

Google’s Consciousness Paper, Emad Wins Oxford AI Personhood Debate, and SpaceX’s $1T by 2030

2026-08-08 · 18 company · 21 thematic
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emad mostaque

Emad Mostaque founded Stability AI (Stable Diffusion) and now runs Intelligent Internet, developing open AI harnesses and sovereign AI frameworks. He is a prominent voice on open-source AI, model distillation, and emerging intelligence.

alex wissner-gross

Computer scientist, physicist, entrepreneur and investor whose work spans artificial intelligence and complex systems. He is the founder and managing partner of Reified.

salim ismail

Salim Ismail is a serial entrepreneur and strategist who co-wrote Exponential Organizations (ExO 1.0 and 2.0). He leads the OpenExO community of 50,000 people in 150 countries and has worked with Fortune 500 companies (P&G, Siemens Energy, HP, Black & Decker) on edge innovation. He is launching the Organizational Singularity (ExO 3.0) as a living AI book via a Claude skill.

dave blundin

Dave Blundin (DB2) is Peter Diamandis' longtime friend and MIT roommate, partner at Link Ventures, and described as a guru on exponential investing. He focuses on moonshot-stage companies in AI, robotics, and space.

immad mostaque

Author of 'The Last Economy'. Tracks Chinese AI labs, quantization, humanoid robotics, and forecasting. Deep knowledge of model architectures, inference providers, and open-source ecosystem. Releasing research papers on generative AI economics.

peter diamandis

Peter Diamandis hosts the Moonshots podcast with a panel of 'mates.' He founded XPRIZE and Singularity University, sits on boards of Trust & Will and Vesmark, and runs the Future Vision XPRIZE for positive AI futures. He frames discussions around the 'singularity economy' and exponential technologies.

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