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▶ 27:00 · AI Economics & Business Models · Consumer AI monetization works best as either pure subscription from day one or pure usage-based, not hybrid
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Stripe

Barney Hussey-Yeo in conversation with John Collison

2026-06-10 · 4 company · 7 thematic
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barney hussey-yeo

Founder of Cleo, an AI financial assistant with 400M ARR and unicorn valuation, based in London. Previously funded university through online poker and worked as a data scientist in fintech.

john collison

Co-founder and president of Stripe, the financial infrastructure company that provides payments and software tools to internet businesses.

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