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▶ 38:58 · Sovereign AI · Open Source AI · Klöckner: Open-source LLM layer essential for Europe to capture value on its industrial base
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Tech analyst Philipp Klöckner in conversation with Conor McNamara

2026-06-30 · 10 company · 8 thematic
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philipp klöckner

Philipp Klöckner is a German tech analyst and investor who hosts a podcast where he made early calls on Anthropic's revenue expansion. He invests in early-stage startups (e.g., Tactile) and advises on German/European tech ecosystem strategy. He has a background in business administration but advocates for engineering-led innovation.

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