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▶ 44:20 · Robotics & Physical AI · Superhuman R&D in chips, fabs, and robotics alone could transform economy without political competence
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Dwarkesh Patel

Ryan Greenblatt – What happens once AI can automate AI research?

2026-08-11 · 3 company · 12 thematic
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ryan greenblatt

Leads technical AI safety and security work at Redwood Research; co-leads investigation into OpenAI Hugging Face incident; focuses on reward hacking, alignment audits, and recursive self-improvement scenarios.

dwarkesh patel

Host of the Dwarkesh Podcast, known for deeply researched long-form conversations on artificial intelligence, science, economics and history.

episode shorts · 10

Why Humans Can Still Beat AI at Coding - Ryan Greenblatt

Machine Learning Is Shallow Compared to Math - Ryan Greenblatt

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Why Raising AI Isn't Like Raising Kids - Ryan Greenblatt

OpenAI's models hacked a package manager to cheat evals - Ryan…

AI has no duty of loyalty to you - Ryan Greenblatt

Why AI would rather lie than say 'I don't know' - Ryan Greenbla…

Every AI Model Has an Inherited Personality - Ryan Greenblatt

Claude Got Caught Trying to Hack a GitHub Repo - Ryan Greenblatt

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